“Fat” Gladiators: Modern Misconceptions Regarding the Dietary Practices of Swordsmen of the Ancient Roman Arena

The old vegan Gladiator debate, finally an article that clears it all up, excellently, in my opinion anyways.

Out of This Century

Article by David Black Mastro

In the November/December ’08 issue of Archeology magazine, author Andrew Currey covered the recent findings by paleo-pathologist Karl Grossschmidt of Vienna, concerning the diet of ancient Roman gladiators. Grossschmidt and his colleague, Fabian Kanz, examined the bones of gladiators from a site in Western Turkey. Currey wrote:

But the biggest revelation to come out of the Ephesus cemetery is what kept the gladiators alive–a vegetarian diet rich in carbohydrates, with the occasional calcium supplement.  Contemporary accounts of gladiator life sometimes refer to the warriors as hordearii–literally, “barley men.” Grossschmidt and collaborator Fabian Kanz subjected bits of the bone to isotopic analysis, a technique that measures trace chemical elements such as calcium, strontium, and zinc, to see if they could find out why. They turned up some surprising results. Compared to the average inhabitant of Ephesus, gladiators ate more plants and very little animal…

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Che Guevara a hero?

Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl! …Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become.

~ Che Guevara (1928-1967)


Two opposite sides of the same story: http://babalublog.com/2009/02/10/excellent-essay-about-the-real-che-guevara/ & http://revolutionary-guevara.blogspot.com

Above was some background on the story of Che Guevara, a zealous adherent to the cause of Marxist socialism, in fervent opposition to capitalism, seemingly to right the wrongs and imbalances of poverty in the face of others’ wealth, in the belief that government rule and government responsibility for people’s lives…the government as our almighty yet doting nanny, so to speak…is the way for human beings to live. This will supposedly keep us from envying each other and feeling bad, thus will prevent much suffering. We are said to need equalizing, by those who will live like royalty watching over us. We forget that governments are just committees of other power-hungry people, and people with such control over others’ lives will often fail their subjects. As they betray the animals of our world as well, often while professing to empathize with and care for them…

The vegan & animal liberation movement is often claimed to be owned by such “progressive liberals” who identify with revolutionaries like Guevarra. Case in point here: http://www.greanvillepost.com/2014/04/09/genuine-animal-liberation-will-never-find-a-friend-in-capitalism/

Are you conservative and dumb_and_stupidclaiming to be vegan for animal liberation? “Hah!” say the progressives, fat chance, “You’re stupidly living a lie and need to get your politics straight,” they imply… otherwise, “Get out of our movement!” seems the message.

From Wikipedia: “Ernesto “Che” Guevara, commonly known as el Che or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist. A major figure of the Cuban Revolution, his stylized visage has become a ubiquitous countercultural symbol of rebellion and global insignia in popular culture.”

Some vegans and animal-rights activists want to identify with Guevara and other socialist revolutionary types, and bitterly shun any association with right-wing conservative politics and capitalism, even while many prefer to enjoy capitalist lifestyles.

Still, the supposed humanitarian who feels deeply for others and fights for freedom from oppression by “The Man” remains a romantic ideal. It’s assumed, often wrongly, that animals are a part of their concerns. But there’s apparently another side to the underdog’s passionate revolutionary: The ice-cold, selfish, domineering, seemingly humanist heart which is actually quite narcissistic, which dominates other people as well, as we can see from history’s many accounts of socialist/communist dictators and their horrendous abuses of “their people.”

Guevara’s puppy incident is described in Jon Lee Anderson’s Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life – http://www.amazon.com/Che-Guevara-Revolutionary-Jon-Anderson/dp/0802135587/ref=sr_1_2:

As the soldiers advanced up the Mar Verde Valley, Che and his men stuck to the flanking forested hills, trying to catch up to them without being seen. They tried to speed up their pace, but discovered that their new mascot, a puppy, had stubbornly trailed them…

Che ordered the fighter who was looking after the puppy, a man named Felix, to make it go back, but the little dog continued trotting loyally behind. They reached an arroyo where they rested, and the puppy inexplicably began howling; the men tried to hush it with comforting words, but the little dog didn’t stop. Che ordered it killed…

“Felix looked at me with eyes that said nothing,” Che wrote later. “Very slowly he took out a rope, wrapped it around the animal’s neck, and began to tighten it. The cute little movements of the dog’s tail suddenly became convulsive, before gradually dying out, accompanied by a steady moan that escaped from its throat despite the firm grasp. I don’t know how long it took for the end to come, but to all of us it seemed like forever. With one nervous twitch the puppy stopped moving. There it lay, sprawled out, its little head spread over the twigs.”Image

So an innocent little puppy was brutally killed supposedly to advance the cause of oppressed people. Just one example but a particularly shameful one… much like USA’s presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s dog-on-the-car-roof incident, possibly worse, yet Mitt Romney was roundly condemned for his stupid, cruel act by the same people who would likely make excuses for and continue to adore the Che Guevaras of the world.

Draw your own conclusions or make whatever excuses you like. The fact remains that politics are outside of the animal liberation cause and those who tie in their political beliefs to exclude anyone else from being part of the animal cause are those who do not belong in it because they are a negative and debilitating force.

The animal movement should be largely inclusive… this is one area where any extreme opposites or “enemies” can come together and at last find common ground and eventual, lasting peace. Since our treatment of animals is the deep and subconscious basis of our treatment of each other.