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Vaccines and Politics, Info for Those Who Care

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It is claimed by the vivisection industry that animal “research” and testing are vital in the development of vaccines, as well as animal substances being needed as vaccine ingredients. Strangely enough, it appears that many “progressive” socialist vegans and animal activists have no problem with all that, as long as President Trump isn’t involved. I’ve seen several Trump despising animal activists, vegans and anti-vaxxers promoting Bernie Sanders as our next President, and find that a bit bizarre. Unless they just don’t know what’s up with him and the rest of their liberal heroes, in contrast to the “evil stupid rich orange man” (as they refer to our president among other scathing insults) and crew.

So, I gathered some info…several links, so please come back for the rest:

To those who want everyone to “feel the Bern”…Sanders on vaccines, from 2015: and from 2016:

Original slate of 2020 presidential candidates stances on vaccines, from last year: Here, by far, the least tyrannical on vaccines are Trump and possibly the few who didn’t (dare?) respond to the question:

NOTE that the absolute worst there is the man who walked out in a huff at Trump’s state of the union address on February 4…Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio who said, “I believe mandatory immunizations and vaccinations are critical to keeping our families, our kids, and our communities safe.”
MANDATORY, i.e. FORCED, whether you like it or not.

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Both sides’ numbers regarding vaccines:, showing that Republicans and Independents are more likely to oppose mandatory vaccinations, and that as time goes by, Republicans become LESS likely to say vaccinations should be required, while the liberals go further in the opposite direction.

But, for Republicans (or anyone) to express any vaccine doubts or opposition publicly is political suicide, with the “scientific community” (pharmaceutical industry) being so powerful and overwhelmingly in favor of forced vaccines.

Regarding the Congressman from Glendale, CA, ADAM SCHIFF, who wants “counseling” for vaccine resisters:

Unrelated to vaccines, here’s where the 2020 presidential candidates stand on several other issues, updated regularly:

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When Correlation Does Indeed Equal Causation


It’s popular among pro-vaccine activists to viciously ridicule people for blaming the vaccines when children become autistic (or otherwise damaged) following vaccinations. They’ll say things like, “My grandpa died of swine flu after he got his shoes shined, so shoe shining causes swine flu death! Hahahaha, anti-vaxxers are a new kind of brain dead!”

Talk about a nasty, blatantly deceptive straw-man argument. Talking to such people is crazy-making like nothing else can be.

Medical research is ALL based on correlation equaling causation.

Simplistic example: If you do a specific thing to somebody, something specific will happen. Give a man suffering with a headache a couple of aspirins and his pain will not only be relieved but can often go away completely. This translates to aspirin being a great treatment for pain…in people…not in cats for whom aspirin is deadly. But aspirin can be taken for pain by dogs, too, although they must have lower doses and go farther between doses than people. It’s all species specific (and individuals may vary), so using one species as a “model” for another is sham science at its worst.

The Vioxx Disaster

There are treatments that work for some without causing obvious harm, but which will be extremely harmful or even deadly to others. Not everyone who took the anti-inflammatory Vioxx in the early to mid 2000s, for instance, died from heart attack, but an alarming number of people did die, with about 140,000 more suffering serious heart damages. Many went unscathed by Vioxx, yet the drug was finally removed from the market due to it being so undeniably dangerous after it killed 60,000* people, despite that it had been “proved” safe and protective against heart problems in several different animal studies. (*Vioxx probably killed at least twice that number of people worldwide.)

Ironically, the first cases of heart damage in people taking the drug were overlooked, the drug company preferring to rely on the “lab animal” results. So, THAT correlation was conveniently considered causation, as in animals had Vioxx forced into them and their hearts were not damaged, nor was anything else, supposedly. Conclusion, Vioxx was safe for humans. Oh no, it was not.

Relying on animal studies is one of the worst scientific errors ever committed by people, and, take note: Vaccines and animal experiments go hand in hand. Vaccines are developed, tested, and manufactured via animal abuse. They’re rife with animal ingredients such as gelatin, egg protein and bovine products.

Animal studies have proved time and again to be in no way predictive for people except on a hit-or-miss basis. That is not, by any definition, to be considered science. Countless people have suffered damage or died using animal-test approved drugs/treatments. Yet most people still will say, “But if we don’t test drugs on animals, what are we supposed to do, use people?!” Well, ask that of the ghosts of the countless people who died from Vioxx, and their loved ones. Vioxx is just one of many drugs that have injured and killed people after being animal tested. There’s where correlation legitimately equals causation, as with vaccines and autism, etc.. But people refuse to see that.

Does anyone really wonder why animal activists become misanthropic?

Read about the 10 worst drug disasters up to 2010 here:

Betrayal of the faithful, who then become “ignorant heretics.”

So now we have all these devastated parents speaking out about their horrific damages; people who once believed in vaccines, in their safety and protectiveness, their being lifesaving. Case after case of former faithfuls who proudly took their babies and children in for all their scheduled shots, something like 70 injections now, from immediately after birth to age 18, and always increasing in number. These are the “unfortunate” ones who had perfectly healthy babies, developing well, engaging, communicating, eager to learn, etc. …until immediately or shortly after that fateful vaccine or round of vaccines. Then their children are suddenly totally changed, withdrawn into themselves, having become severely autistic and many of them doomed to being helpless as infants for many years if not for their whole lives.

Autism is described by WebMD as “a complex neurobehavioral condition that includes impairments in social interaction and developmental language and communication skills combined with rigid, repetitive behaviors. Because of the range of symptoms, this condition is now called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). It covers a large spectrum of symptoms, skills, and levels of impairment. ASD ranges in severity from a handicap that somewhat limits an otherwise normal life to a devastating disability that may require institutional care.

“Children with autism have trouble communicating. They have trouble understanding what other people think and feel. This makes it very hard for them to express themselves either with words or through gestures, facial expressions, and touch.”

Since 2004, autism has increased by 15% to 1 in 59 children in 2018. In 2004 it was 1 in 166 children. In 14 years a 15% increase, yet we’re told that the far more alarming increase since the 1970s is not true. On a side note, there’s been a 27% increase in childhood cancer since 1975, which is conveniently attributed to just about anything other than the huge increase in vaccines since then.

See here for information on vaccines and cancer:

More on Autism

Going back to the 1970s, autism was said to afflict about 1 in 2000 children. But a handy dandy excuse was invented to blow those statistics away. The alarming rise in autism is said to be due to increased diagnoses. So I suppose autistic people in the past were just said to be difficult or “mental” or “out there somewhere,” needing a spanking or something? Where now they’re being diagnosed correctly? Yeah, right, okey dokey. It has nothing to do with the concurrent alarming increase in the number of vaccines kids get from birth onward, where a small percentage of them “switch off” and become helpless immediately following vaccines. That’s said to be in no way evidence that the vaccines caused the autism. Even though if they caused “autism-like symptoms in lab animals” by vaccinating them, that would be considered scientific evidence of serious autism risk from vaccines.

Lab experiments are all about correlation equaling causation, even when totally unscientific and unethical, as in using caged animals as surrogates for human beings. After all, other scientists could say autism is NOT caused by vaccines based on their particular animal studies. Which are the preferred studies, of course, along with the studies showing the majority of kids who are fully vaccinated and do not become autistic. And those few studies that document unvaccinated kids who are autistic. Correlation is said to be causation (in the negative sense) there, “funnily” enough.

Some more inconvenient, denied causation: aluminum damage in people:

Here’s an example of current medical research utilizing only human beings, which is of course how it all should be done: Yet the case against vaccines is not only about aluminum in vaccines causing autism. The aluminum adjuvant is just one of many legitimate, serious concerns.

The sort of correlation=causation “they” (vaccine advocates) like…

Think about how, when kids who get measles vaccine do not come down with measles or autism, it is viewed as concrete evidence that vaccines are effective and safe. Correlation suddenly equals causation, hands down, and how dare you even suggest otherwise!

Yet, when several DO come down with measles (or mumps, whooping cough, etc.) after being fully vaccinated, there’s always some great excuse as in “bad vaccine batch,” “nothing’s 100%,” “it was the unvaxxed kid who caused his measles,” etc., etc. They would never blame the vaccine for the kid having measles…suddenly correlation in no way equals causation.

In Conclusion

Well, I think I’ve made the points, scattered as it all may be (that’s how my poor mind works). Hope people can make some sense of all this and learn to differentiate between real news in medicine (an extremely rare thing!) and that serving only to benefit the medical/pharmaceutical industry.

Say NO to mandatory vaccines and support politicians who are for vaccine freedom of choice. Let that be a matter of objectively informed choice with no fear-mongering or bullying involved.

We are not a “herd,” and no one without polio, measles, etc., who’s not vaccinated, is going to cause a disease in anyone else, especially, you would think, not in a thoroughly vaccinated person.

Anyone with a contagious disease should, of course, quarantine oneself. Those who don’t, and who may spread disease, are not in any way the fault of people who choose to be vaccine free. After all, vaccinated people also get and spread diseases, as in some recent cases where the majority of disease spreaders were fully vaccinated.

Additional thoughts in the comment section would be appreciated, as long as they’re civil. Got vaccinist venom? Take it elsewhere.

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The 4 M’s – Morbid, Mistaken, Malevolent, Maudlin – Animal Research

The 3 R’s versus the 4 M’s

Alliance for Animals - Jeremy Beckham's work (University of Wisconsin)
Alliance for Animals – Jeremy Beckham’s work (University of Wisconsin)

We have the old “3 R’s” (Refine, Reduce, Replace) which has been gladly tossed about in the world of animal testing for decades, while vivisection continues raking in even more funding and torturing countless more animals in a fruitless quest for knowledge and cures.

Speaking of the “4 M’s,” most people have heard the old, warbled, almost teary-eyed (thus the “maudlin”), “But if we don’t use animals, people will die!” But animals are not our models; each species has its own special physiological makeup, requirements, etc., which even vary somewhat among individuals of same species. So using one species as a stand-in for another is glaringly unscientific. People are regularly injured and even die due to that core mistake.

1950 - Group of Animal Vivisectors, National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, London, England
1950 – Group of Animal Vivisectors, National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, London, England

A Word on Morality and Fates

3c7f25c8770b91043761b75de6da40d5This world is random, cruel and unjust. This may well be a purgatory, where we’re all dumped and abandoned, given free will among billions of other lives, and where as human beings our eternal fate is determined by our full life’s actions, learning, improvements, etc., all weighed out at the end, to our ending up in a “heaven” or “hell,” forever. This judgment would be due to our special, moral knowledge, which innocent animals do not possess.

Treatment of animals would be a significant test of our characters. The animals themselves may be souls past who were human but borderline “bad people” deemed appropriate to serve as now “purified,” innocent animals, to test us in a most important way, and after their sentence as animals they all go on to some heaven to be free of suffering and death forever.

Ivan Pavlov, Russian dog torturer from the late 1800s, famous for "his dogs," put through hell for his curiosity.
Ivan Pavlov, Russian dog torturer from the late 1800s, famous for “his dogs,” put through hell for his curiosity.

This brings us back to the subject of vivisection (a.k.a. animal experimentation), which deserves special mention, for the immense, unspeakable suffering it has caused for countless innocent beings. From vivisection’s practitioners, to their obedient believers, to their aggressive supporters… they are among the most ruthless, blindly selfish, and just plain WRONG that humanity has to offer.

I believe the die-hard practitioners (those who do not change their minds or reverse course and compensate somehow) are bound for a “hell” after this life, and that their die-hard supporters come back as animals. Same for all of humanity’s accepted forms of exploiting, abusing and killing animals, such as animal farming and slaughter, puppy mills, etc., etc., to the point of nausea. I may be crazy for believing that. (But maybe not.)


Following are some thoughts on vivisection from noted people:

Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for men is meaningless. ~ Dr. James D. Gallagher (Eminent Cardiologist)

During the last 80+ years, scientists experimenting on trillions of animals, came up with 900 ways of causing cancer in a mouse…BUT NO CURE TO HUMANS! ~ J. F. Brailsford, M.D. (1888-1961) – Radiologist and world authority on diseases of bones & joints)

Galen Pig Vivisection around 500 B.C.
Galen Pig Vivisection around 500 B.C.

Results from animal tests are not transferable between species, and therefore cannot guarantee product safety for humans…In reality these tests do not provide protection for consumers from unsafe products, but rather they are used to protect corporations from legal liability. ~ Herbert Gundersheimer, M.D.

55f2eae91e8372d603dd9ca2bc1a8563Science that fails to embrace all living beings is far more dangerous than any virus! ~ Steve Simmons (Environmental Scientist)

The American public has been trained to accept anything that sails under the flag of science. ~ Hans Ruesch (Author & Medical Historian, “Slaughter of the Innocent” 1978)

You are not handling a lump of plastic. You are handling animals with central nervous systems that feel pain and suffering. ~ Janice Swanson, Ph.D., with the AVMA (who ironically works in animal agriculture etc. to  endow animal exploitation/killing with an air of “humaneness”)

We sacrificed daily from one to three dogs, besides rabbits and other animals, and after four years experience, I am of the opinion that not one of these experiments on animals was justified or necessary. ~ Dr. George Hoggan (1875) who became a leading and ardent anti-vivisectionist after having been a student of Claude Bernard, M.D.

Claude Bernard, Monster Extraordinaire
Claude Bernard, Monster Extraordinaire

Claude Bernard (1813-1878) was France’s most famous (& infamous) physiologist, noted for his coldhearted sadistic acts upon animals. He asserted that progress in medicine was not possible without physiological research using animals. He taught that the researcher must be hardhearted and not at all affected by the cries and desperate struggles of the animal subjects. Read all about him and his madness in Hans Ruesch’s Slaughter of the Innocent: Sample pages can be read here:

Painting by Joseph Write of Derby (1768) - Torturous experiment on a bird in an air pump.
Painting by Joseph Write of Derby (1768) – Torturous experiment on a bird in an air pump.

During my medical education – I found vivisection horrible, barbarous and above all unnecessary. ~ Carl Jung, M.D. (1875 -1961), Founder of Analytical Psychology. His break with Freud altered psychoanalytic thought. Jung stressed the human psyche’s quest for spiritual and individual meaning, versus Freud’s concentrating on sex and aggression.

Harry Harlow, infamous baby monkey torturer from the 1950s-60s supposedly "studying mother love."
Harry Harlow, infamous baby monkey torturer from the 1950s-60s supposedly “studying mother love.”
Rene Descartes, French philosopher responsible for the animals-are-soulless-machines mindset.
Rene Descartes, French philosopher responsible for the animals-are-soulless-machines mindset.

Vivisection has done little for the art of the doctor at the bedside, but it has done immeasurable harm to the character and mind of the rising generation of doctors. ~ Dr. Rudolph Hammer, LLD (1909) (LLD = Doctor of Laws, Academic & Science)

I abhor vivisection’. I know of no achievement through vivisection, no scientific discovery that could not have been obtained without such barbarism and cruelty. The whole thing is evil. ~ Charles W. Mayo, M.D. (1961), son of the co-founder of the Mayo Clinic, Dr. Charles W. Mayo (1898–1968). The Mayo Clinic is consistently ranked among the top three U.S. hospitals.
At present it is a rare person that emerges from medical training with his or her humanity intact.
~ Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 261, p. 2011, (1989)